pronoundemonstrative pronoun (with m optionally → n in compounds) with an indeclinable portion
īdem
īdem (feminine eadem, neuter idem)
Classical[ˈiː.dẽː]Ecclesiastical[ˈiː.dem]
№ 59 of the 1,000 commonest wordsMille Verba core vocabulary
Meaning
- demonstrativepronounthe same
29 bc. Virgil. Georgics, III
Love is the same for all“[...] Eadem mē ad fāta vocāssēs: īdem ambās ferrō dolor, atque eadem hōra tulisset.” “You should have called me to the same fate: Both of us could have been taken by the sword – the same pain, and at the same hour.”
(Anna speaks to her dying sister, Dido.)29 BCE – 19 BCE, Vergilius, Aeneis 4.678-679
Latīnē defined in Latin in our graded readers
Declension
| form | masculine | feminine | neuter |
|---|---|---|---|
| nominative | īdem | eadem | idem |
| genitive | eiusdem | eiusdem | eiusdem |
| dative | eīdem | eīdem eaedem | eīdem |
| accusative | eundem eumdem | eandem eamdem | idem |
| ablative | eōdem | eādem | eōdem |
| form | masculine | feminine | neuter |
|---|---|---|---|
| nominative | iīdem eīdem, īdem | eaedem | eadem |
| genitive | eōrundem eōrumdem, eundem, eumdem | eārundem eārumdem | eōrundem eōrumdem, eundem, eumdem |
| dative | iīsdem eīsdem, īsdem, ībusdem | iīsdem eīsdem, īsdem, eābusdem | iīsdem eīsdem, īsdem |
| accusative | eōsdem | eāsdem | eadem |
| ablative | iīsdem eīsdem, īsdem | iīsdem eīsdem, īsdem | iīsdem eīsdem, īsdem |
Phrases from Meissner's Latin Phrase-Book
- ut in eodem simili verser
- to use the same simile, illustration.
- idem de re publica sentire
- to have the same political opinions.
- vocabula idem fere declarantia
- synonyms.
- haec ex eodem fonte fluunt, manant
- these things have the same origin.
- idem valere, significare, declarare
- to have the same meaning.
- consentire, idem sentire cum aliquo
- to agree with a person.
- eadem (longe alia) est huius rei ratio
- the case is exactly similar (entirely different).
- idem sentire (opp. dissentire ab aliquo)
- to hold the same views.
2 more phrases
- eadem est causa mea or in eadem causa sum
- my circumstances have not altered.
- eiusdem linguae societate coniunctum esse cum aliquo (De Or. 3. 59. 223)
- to be united by having a common language.
īdem, ĕădem, ĭdem (
I. masc. eidem, freq. in MSS. and inscrr.; v. Lachm. ad Lucr. 1, 120; rarely isdem or eisdem; plur. nom. eidem; dat. and abl. eisdem; usu. contr. idem, isdem; not iidem, iisdem; v. Neue, Formenl. 2, 198 sqq.), pron. [from the pronom. root I, whence is, and the demonstr. suff. dem; root of dies, day, time; hence, just, exactly, Corss. Aussp. 2, 855], the same.
I. In gen.:
deinde quod nos eadem Asia atque idem iste Mithridates initio belli Asiatici docuit, Cic. de Imp. Pomp. 7, 19: quam (sphaeram) ab eodem Archimede factam posuerat in templo Virtutis Marcellus idem, id. Rep. 1, 14: id, quod eidem Ciceroni placet, Quint. 10, 7, 28: jure erat semper idem vultus (Socratis), Cic. Tusc. 3, 15, 31: idem semper vultus eademque frons, id. Off. 1, 26, 90: tu autem eodem modo omnes causas ages? aut in iisdem causis perpetuum et eundem spiritum sine ulla commutatione obtinebis? id. Or. 31, 110: non quod alia res esset: immo eadem, id. Clu. 29, 80: etiam si verbo differre videbitur, re tamen erit unum et omnibus in causis idem valebit, id. Caecin. 21, 59: ad causas simillimas inter se vel potius easdem, id. Brut. 94, 324. —II. In partic., idem is used,
A. When two predicates are referred to the same subject.
1. When the predicates are of the same kind it may often be rendered, at the same time, likewise, also, etc., or = is (ea, id) with quoque, etiam, simul, etc.:
cum Academico et eodem rhetore congredi conatus sum, Cic. N. D. 2, 1, 1; cf.: oratio splendida et grandis et eadem in primis faceta, id. Brut. 79, 273: avunculus meus, vir innocentissimus idemque doctissimus, id. N. D. 3, 32, 80: jam M. Marcellus ille quinquies consul totum (auspicium) omisit, idem imperator, idem augur optimus, id. Div. 2, 36, 77: ubi Xenocrates, ubi Aristoteles ista tetigit? hos enim quasi eosdem esse vultis, id. Ac. 2, 44, 136; cf.: viros fortes, magnanimos, eosdem bonos et simplices esse volumus, id. Off. 1, 19, 63: Caninius idem et idem noster cum ad me pervesperi venisset, etc., id. Fam. 9, 2, 1: amicus est tamquam alter idem, a second self, id. Lael. 21, 80: ad idem semper exspectandum paratior, id. Off. 2, 15, 53: nam idem velle atque idem nolle, ea demum firma amicitia est, Sall. C. 20, 5; cf.: quos omnes eadem odisse, eadem metuere in unum coeëgit, id. J. 31, 14: Hisdem diebus, for eisdem, Pall. 10, 13: hic finis belli, ... idemque finis regni, Liv. 45, 9, 2; 2, 12, 2: quae ab condita urbe Roma ad captam urbem eandem Romani ... gessere, id. 6, 1, 1: ut pars militum gladiatores, qui e servitio Blaesi erant, pars ceteram ejusdem familiam vincirent, Tac. A. 1, 23: erepta mihi prius eorundem matre, Quint. 6 prooem. 4: fervida aestas, longinqua itinera sola ducis patientia mitigabantur, eodem plura quam gregario milite tolerante, Tac. A. 14, 24.—2. When the predicates are in contrast with one another it may be rendered, nevertheless, yet, on the contrary:
(Epicurus) cum optimam et praestantissimam naturam dei dicat esse, negat idem esse in deo gratiam, Cic. N. D. 1, 43, § 121; cf. Curt. 5, 1, 14.—B. Esp.
1. Connected or corresp. with the pronouns ego, tu, hic, ille, iste, qui, and with unus:
idem ego ille (non enim mihi videor insolenter gloriari, etc.) idem inquam ego recreavi afflictos animos, etc., Cic. Att. 1, 16, 8: ego idem, qui, etc., id. Or. 7, 23; cf.: habitae sunt multae de me contiones ... habuit de eodem me P. Lentulus consul contionem, id. Sest. 50, 107: cedo nunc ejusdem illius inimici mei de me eodem contionem, id. ib. § 108: de me eodem, id. ib. 51, 109: quin tu igitur concedis idem, etc., id. Rep. 1, 39 fin. Mos.; cf.: cognoram te in custodia salutis meae diligentem: eundemque te, etc., id. Att. 4, 1, 1: Sopater quidam fuit, etc. ... huic eidem Sopatro eidem inimici ad C. Verrem ejusdem rei nomen detulerunt, Cic. Verr. 2, 2, 28, § 68: cum est idem hic Sopater absolutus, id. ib. 2, 2, 29, § 70: hoc idem facere, id. Rep. 1, 35: ab hisce eisdem permotionibus, id. de Or. 1, 12, 53: idem ille tyrannus, id. Rep. 1, 42: in eisdem illis locis, Cic. Verr. 2, 1, 21, § 56: eandem illam (sphaeram), id. Rep. 1, 14: eum et idem qui consuerunt et idem illud alii desiderent, id. Off. 2, 15 fin.: idem iste Mithridates, id. de Imp. Pomp. 7, 19 (Klotz, Orell., B. and K.; older edd., idem ipse): musici qui erant quondam idem poëtae, id. de Or. 3, 44, 174; cf.: beneficentia, quam eandem benignitatem appellari licet, id. Off. 1, 7, 20: quod idem in ceteris artibus non fit, id. Fin. 3, 7, 24 fin.: exitus quidem omnium unus et idem fuit, id. Div. 2, 47, 97: in qua (causa) omnes sentirent unum atque idem, id. Cat. 4, 7, 14; cf. in an inverted order: ut verset saepe multis modis eandem et unam rem, id. Or. 40, 137: neque ego aliter accepi: intellexi tamen idem, non existimasse te, etc., id. Fam. 9, 15, 3; id. Att. 3, 12, 1; 8, 3, 3.—2. As a word of comparison, with et, ac, que, ut, qui (quae, quod), quam, quasi, cum, or (mostly poet.) with the dat., the same as, identical with, of the same meaning as, etc.:
si quaeratur, idemne sit pertinacia et perseverantia, Cic. Top. 23, 87: videmus fuisse quosdam, qui idem ornate ac graviter, idem versute et subtiliter dicerent, at the same time and as well as, id. Or. 7, 22; cf. id. Sull. 18, 51: imperii nostri terrarumque idem est extremum, id. Prov. Cons. 13, 33; cf. id. Cael. 28, 67: disputationem habitam non quasi narrantes exponimus, sed eisdem fere verbis, ut actum disputatumque est, id. Tusc. 2, 3, 9: idem abeunt, qui venerant, id. Fin. 4, 3, 7: quoniam earum rerum quas ego gessi, non est eadem fortuna atque condicio, quae illorum qui, etc., id. Cat. 3, 12, 27: non quo idem sit servulus quod familia, id. Caecin. 20, 58: qui (servi) et moribus eisdem essent, quibus dominus, et eodem genere ac loco nati, Cic. Verr. 2, 3, 25, § 62: eandem constituit potestatem quam si, etc., id. Agr. 2, 12, 30: eodem loco res est, quasi ea pecunia legata non esset, id. Leg. 2, 21, 53; cf.: sensu amisso fit idem, quasi natus non esset omnino, id. Lael. 4, 14.—With cum: tibi mecum in eodem est pistrino vivendum, Cic. de Or. 2, 33, 144: hunc eodem mecum patre genitum, etc., Tac. A. 15, 2: in eadem mecum Africa geniti fides, Liv. 30, 12, 15; 28, 28, 14.—With dat.: (Homerus) Sceptra potitus, eadem aliis sopitu' quiete est, Lucr. 3, 1038; cf.: invitum qui servat idem facit occidenti, Hor. A. P. 467; so Ov. M. 13, 50; id. Am. 1, 4, 1 al.: quod non idem illis censuissemus, Cic. Fam. 9, 6, 3; Just. 2, 4, 10: ille eadem nobis juratus in arma, Ov. M. 13, 50.—In neutr. with gen.: si idem nos juris haberemus quod ceteri, Cic. Balb. 12, 29: tibi idem consilii do, quod, etc., id. Fam. 9, 2, 2: omnes qui ubique idem operis efficiunt, Lact. 5, 4, 1: non habet officii lucifer omnis idem, Ov. F. 1, 46.—Advv.: eādem, eodem, v. h. v.Charlton Lewis's shorter dictionary for students: the same scholarship in plain, modern definitions.
īdem eadem, idem (gen. ēiusdem; plur nom. eīdem or īdem; dat. and abl. eīsdem or īsdem; the forms eōdem, eādem, eundem, etc., often disyl. in poetry), pron.
2 I-+-dem (demonstr. suffix), the same: Ille . . . praesens absensque idem erit, T.: īsdem legibus uti, Cs.: semper idem voltus: eodem modo omnīs causas agere: ad causas simillimas vel potius easdem: eodem tempore, Cs.: Non eadem est aetas, is changed, H.: tamquam alter idem, a second self: idem velle atque idem nolle, S.—Introducing an additional predicate, at the same time, likewise, also, furthermore: hoc idem reliquis deinceps fit diebus, Cs.: oratio grandis et eadem in primis faceta: vir innocentissimus idemque doctissimus: hiemes reducit Iuppiter, idem Submovet, H.: (Epicurus) cum optimam naturam dei dicat esse, negat idem esse in deo gratiam, nevertheless: Aedificas . . . et idem rides, etc., H. —With emphatic pronouns, also, the same, very, besides, at the same time: idem ego ille . . . idem inquam ego recreavi, etc.: ego idem, qui, etc.: cedo nunc eiusdem illius inimici mei de me eodem contionem: idem rex ille, qui, the very same, H.: cum et idem qui consuerunt et idem illud alii desiderent: idem iste Mithridates: ut verset saepe eandem et unam rem.—In comparisons, the same as, identical with, of the same meaning as: haec eodem tempore mandata referebantur, et legati veniebant, Cs.: vitast eadem ac fuit, T.: qui idem ornate ac graviter, idem versute et subtiliter dicerent, at the same time: eisdem fere verbis, ut actum disputatumque est: eādem ratione quā pridie resistitur, Cs.: idem abeunt, qui venerant: non quo idem sit servulus quod familia: tibi idem consili do, quod, etc.: fit idem, quasi natus non esset omnino: tibi mecum in eodem est pistrino vivendum: Invitum qui servat idem facit occidenti, H.: quod non idem illis censuissemus.
Origins
From Proto-Italic *izdim; equivalent to is (“he”) + Proto-Italic *-im (emphatic marker) (whence Sabellic *-om, Oscan 𐌝𐌔𐌝𐌃𐌖𐌌 (ísídum), 𐌄𐌔𐌝𐌃𐌖𐌌 (esídum)), from Proto-Indo-European *im (whence also Old Latin im, em), accusative singular of *éy (so both parts are from the same source). The s was lost and the i lengthened by compensatory lengthening. When is' ablative cases eōd, eād became eō, eā, idem's ablative true forms eōd-em, eād-em were interpreted as eō-dem, eā-dem. The neuter nominative singular id-em is natural. De verborum significatione gives emem as a form of the later eundem.http://remacle.org/bloodwolf/erudits/Festus/e.htm The new marker -dem then served to create totidem, tantundem, ibīdem, etc. Compare tam-en with its later doublet: tan-dem (← *tam-dem).